the senate so far has failed to approve chuck hagel for that post. secretary panetta, not chuck hagel, will be attending a nato meeting in brussels next week to talk about the future of afghanistan, among other things. i want to bring in general wesley clark, general clark ran for president in 2004 as a democrat, he's become a friend of the weekend broadcast here on msnbc. let's start with hagel. how will our nato allies, how will they react or will there be any reaction at all when leon panetta shows up for the meeting in brussels and not chuck haguele? >> i think they understand what the american political system looks like. they understand. every one of the nato allies has his own political problems at home. imagine an alliance with 26 members and every one of them has an election, there's an election every two or three, four years in every country so there's always an election, there's always turnover. the united states is the major power behind nato, the major military power, but chuck hagel is a known entity. people in europe know him, they res